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This is How It Works for me and my emotional disease! Hope it helps you and yours.
Hmmm, I see a connection with my ranting like crazy the first weeks of sobriety. I was mostly aware of the issues but I wondered about the rantin. where it came from, and why some of the issues that seemed HUGE just disappeared.
FYI, in case you did not know her already: Cythia Perkins from http://www.alternatives-for-alcoholism.com/effects-of-child-abuse.html writes about the relation between abuse, brain damage and addiction.
thanks for the link – looks interesting – we call the ranting “the fanatic in the attic” – with enough distress he can still make an impromptu appearance in my head. 🙂
Yes, I do fanatic! I also found that loads of people do fanatic when it comes to theories on alcohol dependency etc. AA or not, physical disease verses mental disease, nutrients approach versus therapy. I stepped into that trap IMMEDIATELY. A whirlwind! Not in the clear yet, but noticing now that it is there. It is amazing in many ways. All of it. Happy that I quit. 🙂
I do fanatic the minute I express any view that I hold to be true, with research I can show what others have looked at also and this takes the sting out of my fanaticism, makes one more reasonable, recruits the sensible prefrontal cortex for a change not fear based subcortical areas where addicts often live. I do however base research on my own experience of recovery and that of 100s of others in recovery. Recovery is an amazing experience. I trust this experience more than theories.
You do fanatic all right. 😀 I was thinking about it yesterday, how I lost my footing without the booze and how I IMMEDIATELY seemed to want to get hold of something else. Fanatic (regardless of the subject) does have a function in that way. It’s just that I don’t want to stay there for too long because I have seen it in my father and how he got stuck. It is a very unflexible world. Learning about subjects in areas near those that ‘needs to be protected’ is hardly possible. I think I will use some of what is written here in a post. Are you ok with that?
does it show!? 🙂 I am addicted to most things when I start them, period! I have an addicted brain and a recovering mind. The mind can change the brain, slowly (it takes time to realise it takes time etc) an addicted brain can help very well with research, that obsessive desire to know more but I would always suggest doing it with more healthy and sane people, to rein oneself in. I have an illness of MORE. I have no “had enough!” button, I manage this with the help of others. Asking for help has become habitual and led to an easier life generally. I check things out with healthier heads than my own. Equally in God’s Grace I am sane, sober as a judge. I can rely on intuition and my thoughts are on a Higher plane. In God I am recovered. If I seek His help I am content in me and my life. As a result fear has a reduced role in my life. I research safe in His guiding hands and leave most of the results to Him. Feel free to use my work, but please cite and link – this is 12 step stuff this blog, passing on what has helped me a great deal in my recovery. Recovery is not holy-schmolly it is rational, and can be explained to others to help them in their recovery
🙂 I am happy for you that you found your way. My higher power is not a personalised god, I do believe in the natural order of things. Like intuition, and using your brain to go places.
You comment on this ‘had enough’ button. I wrote a little piece on it where there was one day that I discovered that there was a concept developing: http://feelingmywaybackintolife.wordpress.com/2014/09/28/the-concept-of-enough/
It was only that day unfortunately, but now I remember I will pick up my Bach Remedies (sort of homeopathic medicine for the spirit) again because there is a remedy that deals with the lacking of this concept. There are 2 actually. One is called for yearning children and the other is for yearning ‘mothers’. Both speak of the persons being an empty pit with no bottom. Nasty thing is that they are cured in alcohol. But it only takes 1 drop in a liter water so I guess I’ll wave that concern (and pay attention to what happens… )
I’ll link through to you. 🙂
Question: why is it important for recovery to be rational?
Bach remedies contain alcohol right?
ranting, not rantin 🙂
I like your alcoholic perfectionism 🙂
Ghegheghe…. Friend, I even do imperfection perfect. 😀 And I should not laugh because I actually believe that is true. 😦
should always laugh at yourself, as much as you can anyway (although I also leave some time for taking myself too seriously as well) – this illness hates nothing more than a good giggle at one’s own expense. We are all perfectly imperfect, it’s called being human 🙂
Shit!! Do I have that?
Thank you for your interesting post. As someone who works in mental health and also a 12 step program of recovery, I have a slightly different view.
I have come to believe that the greatest challenge for so many of us is to get comfortable being uncomfortable. It is a spiritual axiom that anytime I am disturbed it is because there is something wrong with me. The greatest challenge is to ride the wave of emotion, accept what is and “go with the flow.” Thank you for your service!
thank you for your comments too! I think is a good axiom for emotional dysregulation too – I do not try to ride a wave of emotion as such but rather to identify, label and often verbally express to others the emotions I am feeling in order to process those emotions. Emotions do not need to be surfed or even tolerated for extended periods when they can be simply processed. This also means I have dealt with whatever has blocked me off from the sunlight of the spirit and being restored to sanity can be in a position to help others. This is my reading of the 12 step recovery. To constantly have thoughts of others and how I can be of service. This is the heart of recovery for me. Thanks again, Paul
Paul, I am wondering if the riding the wave or labeling it is a girl-guy difference. I ride waves too. If I can, and am not sweaped away, I like to see where they bring me but I step of when they head to a dark place. Riding waves gives info about intentions and the area, the goal and sometimes of the cause. If that makes any sense?
Thanks you! 🙂 I’m learning like crazy today! 🙂
Practising and thinking about ‘Can I exist when feeling scared?’ has helped me a lot.
For me ‘Can I exist if somebody else exists?’ is a big thing too. My family did not support that thought, it was very competitive. Along these lines: ‘When I am right I am superior to you.’
I have never done this, but let’s see where this goes. With my patients, I use the analogy of: identify acknowledge and accept when it comes to feeling emotions that we do not like. We know: “what we resist persists.” Also, we don’t know what is ultimately good or bad, we only know what we like or dislike. I would never chose to have suffered and gone through the various trials and tribulations that I have gone through but, trust and faith in God tells me that everything happens for a reason, and for my Ulimate Good, but, it doesn’t mean that I have to like whatever it is that I am going through. Easier said than done. Program teaches me and gives me tools to “match calamity with serenity.”
As you said Paul, the antidote for my selfish self- seeking behavior which manifests as resentment, fear, dishonesty and selfishness is to “fit ourselves to be of maximum service to others.” We cat keep it unless we give it away.
A very worthy topic and I am grateful for your willingness to share your experience, strength and hope.
thank you again – we seem to have similar ways of looking at it – feelings we do not like are normally called negative emotions in research and often seen as counterproductive which isn’t always the case, it is productive sometimes to be angry as long as it leads to positive action – I am talking really about all basic emotional processing which also includes so-called positive emotions like “elation” which can also lead one back to a relapse as it activates euphoric recall and addiction memory of the so-called “good times” – it is how we process and regulate our emotions that will determine how much psychic pain they cause us ie how we appraise them – by turning my will over to God every day it helps me accept what is occurring (sometimes it takes days to get to this stage mind!!) so I believe all is for the good ultimately and that God is shaping me and this can involve suffering too- suffering is also a human reality for us all. It is learning to cope with feelings we wish we weren’t having. I know from previous experience that suffering episodes in my recovery have taught me much more than relatively happy times. It is about how I appraise what is occurring as you mention too, This is also the case with stress appraisal too. In short my contact with God has a lot to do with how I feel – hence why I need a spiritual solution to my psycho-neuro-biological disorder. Paul
Yes! As Viktor Frankl said: the only real freedom we have in this world is how we respond to what happens to us. I also like to bring in the “3 C’s: cause, control and change.” I cannot cause, control or change anyone or anything in this world. However, freedom comes when I accept that I am responsible for my thoughts, actions and feelings. No one “makes” me do, or feel or be — unless I give my power away to them. I need to ask myself: how can I trust and rely on God? As it says in the AABB: “we trust infinite God rather than our finite selves. We are here to play the role He assigns…..” Thank you again!
thank you! 🙂
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Here is a blog post about emotional sobriety and the 12 steps which is a wonderful explanation of some of the concepts that we are discussing in our group.
Enjoy!
Shira
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